Danoyachtcapt

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At 22:12, 18 July 2014

AdelaideAdelaide said:


Hi Danoyachtcapt,

Thanks for joining our community.

Since you're new, feel free to take the wikiHow tour to learn about how things work around here.

Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions about contributing to wikiHow!

At 22:35, 18 July 2014

AdelaideAdelaide said:

Hi again! I saw your Help Page question - just click on the "Save draft" button at the bottom of every page on wikiHow. You can find all your drafts here: http://www.wikihow.com/Special:Drafts

At 01:44, July 19, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Thanks for contributing to wikiHow. Your efforts to share information here are appreciated.

Unfortunately, I have noticed that your article (How to Become a Pilotfor the Least Cost) appears to violate our commercial product guidelines and has been nominated for deletion.

You are welcome to add useful content to wikiHow and share information about how to use your products or services, but only if you follow the guidelines outlined in our article on how to write about commercial topics on wikiHow. Otherwise, the article you created will need to be deleted in order to preserve the quality of our manual.

If you have any questions, I'd be happy to work with you directly to help you learn your way around wikiHow. Feel free to contact me by replying to this message or contact any of our volunteer administrators for help.

Thank you.

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At 06:10, 19 July 2014

AdelaideAdelaide said:

What do you mean? Only admins and new article boosters can change article titles, but you could request a title change: How to Request a Title Change for a wikiHow Article

The title will be changed as soon as possible.

At 16:57, July 19, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Changing the title is an excellent idea! That is exactly what you need to do. If you put "Using aopa.org" at the end, it will likely conform to our commercial policy.

I think you need to rewrite the introduction and clearly lay out what the program offers in the way of preparation, making the overall process quicker, and assuring better chances of success in completing a ground school program.

I noticed that you had step numbers within the steps. Those are created automatically by the software. Also, any time you have a period or colon in the first part of a step, it terminates the embolden. The way to get around this is to enclose the whole sentence in '''. (The triple apostrophe is the wikicode for embolden.) More details about refining articles can be found in the Writer's Guide. I will visit your article and make some edits, then message you with a link showing the changes I made.
Ron

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At 17:59, July 19, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Hey Dano,
No need to start a new article plus only administrators and boosters can delete articles. Look at what I did here and see if you can't work with that start. Let me know what you think of my proposed title and I can get the article retitled and, potentially, the nomination for deletion removed (if an administrator agrees that my edit put the article within policy).
Ron

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At 18:19, July 19, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

I am glad I you like my edits. I will see if I can get title change and nfd removal expedited and will get back to you with the results.
Ron

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At 19:10, July 19, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

One of the administrators has retitled your article and has removed my nomination for deletion. Apparently my edit brought the article within community policy. So your article will live! Feel free to add to it as you see fit.

I will be glad to help with your second article once you get it started. Some things to keep in mind:

  • The title should be the simplest and most searched title that accurately describes the content.
  • The steps should follow a logical order. Each step should start with a verb and be actionable.— That is, each step should be something a person is actually able to do.
  • When all the steps are complete, the promise implicit in the title should have been fulfilled. For example, in How to Start Pilot Training Online with AOPA.org (Free), someone will have started pilot training once they have performed the steps.

I was wondering if you would now want How to Become a Pilot for the Least Effort deleted? If so, you can ask an administrator to delete the article. Just give them the exact title and the reason you want it deleted. They should be able to accommodate your request.
Feel free to send additional questions my way.
Ron

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At 22:42, 19 July 2014

AdelaideAdelaide said:

No worries - I changed the title: http://www.wikihow.com/index.php?title=Win-at-CSR-Racing&diff=14274173&oldid=14273393

At 02:41, 20 July 2014

AdelaideAdelaide said:

P.S. I did some editing to help your article meet our Writer's Guide guidelines, including removing some of the personal references. You can read more here: How to Avoid Using Personal Reference on wikiHow

And see what I did here: http://www.wikihow.com/index.php?title=Win%20at%20CSR%20Racing&diff=14274893&oldid=14273393

Let me know what you think!

At 02:41, 20 July 2014

AdelaideAdelaide said:

I just chose your article on how to Win at CSR Racing to be a Rising Star. That means it is one of the best new articles on wikiHow. Congratulations, and thanks for the great contribution!

At 21:01, 21 July 2014

AdelaideAdelaide said:

Have you tried contacting Krystle or Anna?

At 23:54, 28 July 2014

BRBR said:

Thanks for your edits on Move Your M60 Patton Tank to Your New Location.

Thanks for contributing to wikiHow. Just wanted to remind you that only Admins and New Article Boosters are allowed to remove {{Nfd}} templates. We like to give everyone time to participate on the discussion page of an article that has been nominated for deletion. Please leave your comments there as well. For questions, feel free to contact me, an Admin or the Help Team. Thanks.

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At 00:52, July 29, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Yes, Dano, it is probably best to jettison Move Your M60 Patton Tank to Your New Location. It will likely disappear on its own in the next little while or I can work to expedite its removal from the database. What would you like me to do?
Ron

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At 01:02, 29 July 2014

BRBR said:

It looks like you may be discussing removing the page, but you can certainly feel free to remove the image if you like.

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At 01:35, July 29, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Yes, Dano, removing the image makes the article seem less jokey, but the article has such a small number of people it can help. Anyone who has a tank likely knows how to move it (I would hope).
Ron

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At 03:22, July 29, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Wow. What an unusual experience! And the article is unique too. Not many wikiHowians write about any aspect of a real tank. You are probably the first!
Ron

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At 04:08, July 30, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

My suggestion: How to Drive a M-60 Patton Tank Safely. I am thinking not too many individuals actually own a tank.
Ron

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At 17:44, Jul 31, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Hey, Dano,
Don't worry too much about the NFDs. You have a week or so before the vote comes up. As far as I can see, the aviation instruction articles conform to our policy. I will work on them a bit now, but I have a full day, so the second one will have to wait. Please make sure your instructions are detailed and exact so that someone can easily follow them. I will fix the second article, so don't edit it further. When I am done, you will see what I did, then, perhaps, you can be more explicit with future instructions.
Ron

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At 19:24, Aug 01, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Hey again, Dano,
I edited Start Your Online Pilot Training with FAA Safety.Gov (Free) and left a note on the discuss page, so you should be alright on that article.

Anna took the nfd tag off of Start Pilot Training Online with AOPA.org (Free), so no worries.

If you want to save the tank article, you should leave a nice note on the discuss page indicating that it was not intended as a joke, but is modeled after your life experience.
Ron

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At 20:06, Aug 01, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Hey, Dano,
Danielbauwens removed the nfd from your second free pilot training article, so they are both clear. You told me about the tank that got dropped on you, but you need to put it on the discuss page of the article where those that vote on the nfd might see it. I could do it, but I leave it up to you. Visit the tank article, click the discuss tab, add your comment/explanation on why the article is no joke to someone who ends up with a tank in their front yard. lol. That should work!
Ron

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At 20:20, Aug 01, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Yes, Dano. It pays to take your time and explain every step in detail so that the process described in an article is complete and accurate. Not so easy to do. Sometimes it takes way more words and steps than you ever thought it would. Just be patient and work your way through the process, documenting each step along the way. Of course, if you don't get it perfect, somebody might supply the missing parts as they try to accomplish the task and realize that there are key steps that were not documented.
Ron

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At 21:26, Aug 01, 2014

Myers18111Dave Myers said:

Thanks for your edits on Discussion:Move Your M60 Patton Tank to Your New Location.

This is not a how-to article.

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At 03:28, Aug 02, 2014

Myers18111Dave Myers said:

I see now that someone has marked this article as a possible joke. The article somehow looks different now than it did when I first read it. It reads much more like a how-to now. If indeed one is the owner of a tank, the steps you list seem reasonable. I would nominate it for a real article. We might make this a stub for moving all tanks, not just M60 Pattons.

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At 20:54, Aug 02, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I just chose your article on how to Start Your Online Pilot Training with FAA Safety.Gov (Free) to be a Rising Star. That means it is one of the best new articles on wikiHow. Congratulations, and thanks for the great contribution!

At 21:43, Aug 02, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Hi, again, Dano,
I really hope you continue to create helpful articles about getting the knowledge needed to become a pilot. Start Pilot Training Online with AOPA.org (Free) seemed to be well-written, but, again, I made some minor changes. I flipped the paragraphs in the introduction because the words that now start the article are so impactful. Great wording there! I put some of the steps together and put the self-test option last (as a substep). I hope everything I did here makes sense. If not, please feel free to change it back or, at least, change it to the way it needs to be. You wrote another great little article, IMHO. :)

At 21:43, Aug 02, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I just chose your article on how to Start Pilot Training Online with AOPA.org (Free) to be a Rising Star. That means it is one of the best new articles on wikiHow. Congratulations, and thanks for the great contribution!

At 16:41, Aug 03, 2014

BRBR said:

Hi, Capt,

I took a little liberty with the M-60 page, here http://www.wikihow.com/index.php?title=Move-Your-M60-Patton-Tank-to-Your-New-Location&action=history , the details may not be the same as the 60A2-3 vers, and the upgrades may have changed the procedure a bit, but since the 60 was based on the '48, which I have actually been inside of..

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At 17:59, Aug 03, 2014

BRBR said:

Generally, older tanks had a manual fuel shutoff that kills the engine, and a main power supply switch to turn power on...so you push in the fuel shutoff, opening the fuel valve, turn on the power, and push the large, red start button to engage the starter. It was more fun when you had to prime the injectors, start the pony motor (a small gasoline engine), through the starter drive into gear, start the diesel engine, then shut off the pony motor and close the gas valve. Cranking those takes two people for the most part...if everything is working....

By the way, the M-60 is upgraded in a few countries where everything is electronic/electrical, with the fuel controls built into the throttle lever itself... but that is technology after my time.

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At 23:49, Aug 03, 2014

Lugia2453Lugia2453 said:

I just chose your article on how to Solo Drive a 100 Foot Power Yacht to be a Rising Star. That means it is one of the best new articles on wikiHow. Congratulations, and thanks for the great contribution!

At 06:35, Aug 04, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I made a couple of edits to Move a M60 Patton Tank to a New Location and changed the title a bit. (I hope you don't mind.) Between you, Lugia, and Bob (BR), the article is looking great and not like a joke at all. Plus there are now three discuss comments saying it is not a joke.

At 21:55, Aug 04, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Yeah. I am pretty sure the tank article won't tank.

At 22:31, Aug 05, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Tanks to Bob/BR, Lugia, and you, the tank article lives!

At 00:22, Aug 06, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Great to hear, Dano!
Awesomely excellent to hear that Move a M60 Patton Tank to a New Location lives! Thank you for letting me know. You listed everybody who helped except HelperT2895/Viper who left a discuss comment and voted for saving your article (as did Lugia and Alabaster).

You can find all the contributors to each of your articles by clicking the history tab. You can pull up the details of each edit too! (If you every want to know how to do that and can't figure it out, just ask me and I will be glad to explain it.)
Ron

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At 15:43, Aug 06, 2014

Myers18111Dave Myers said:

Tank you berry moosh. :)

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At 18:25, Aug 06, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Dano,
When you are on any talk page you can paste the user into the address bar in place of the name of the user's talk page you are on.

If you are on your talk page, you should see - http://www.wikihow.com/User_talk:Danoyachtcapt. Replace Danoyachtcapt with HelperT2895 and hit Enter and you should be on Viper's talk page.
Ron

Here is the direct link to Viper's talk page if you can't get there by following the above: [1].

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At 18:56, Aug 06, 2014

HelperT2895HelperT2895 said:

Hey Dan! I actually liked your article, it seemed like a joke at first but then I thought that it actually would be useful to somebody out there.

Plus, not all articles that are tagged for duplication as a joke get deleted. One fantastic example is the article Do Nothing. It started out as a very poorly written and a joke topic, but over time, authors improved it and now it's one of the most read articles on wikiHow!!!

As for the trouble of finding me, I usually leave messages regarding wikiHow stuff on important and well known contributors here, including Ron,Alabaster, Krystle and many others, You can also find me commenting in the forums, and in the New article booster's page. If all else fails, simply replace the current URL in your browser with HelperT2895 (or any other user's name) to get to my talk page! :)

I'm glad we could help you out, and thanks a ton for starting an article! It may not arttract millions of readers but it definitely will be useful to somebody out there searching the internet! :)


Cheers!!!

Viper (talk) 18:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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At 20:14, Aug 06, 2014

Myers18111Dave Myers said:

I'm glad that it worked out

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At 20:50, Aug 09, 2014

AdelaideAdelaide said:

I just chose your article on how to Move a M60 Patton Tank to a New Location to be a Rising Star. That means it is one of the best new articles on wikiHow. Congratulations, and thanks for the great contribution!

At 21:31, Aug 10, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Congratulations, Dano,
You are a featured author! Five rising stars right out of the gate!
You are a natural. Thank you for sharing such helpful information.

Ron

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At 23:25, Aug 10, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

You earned the recognition, Dano. Adelaide just rendered judgement that the tank article (after Bob improved it) was one of the better new articles on wikiHow. I think it is extraordinary that you have managed to get five Rising Stars in less than a month! Yours are certainly some helpful articles. (I am not sure how many people the tank article will actually help, but it is potentially helpful, never-the-less.)
Again, Congratulations!
Ron

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At 23:30, Aug 10, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Dano,
Oh and Adelaide did help a lot with the CSR Racing article. I was not aware of that until just now.
Ron

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At 23:35, Aug 10, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Dano,
Well, it is a community and I am glad to offer what support I can. I am glad I was able to help out a little and I will be keeping an eager eye out for your future contributions.
Ron

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At 03:49, Aug 11, 2014

AdelaideAdelaide said:

Hey Dano!

It's great to hear that your article was kept alive by many editors. That's the spirit of collaboration here!

I hope you keep contributing!

Adelaide

At 21:36, Aug 19, 2014

WikiHow-InternWikiHow Intern said:

Hey - I enjoyed your new article on How to Get Your FCC "General Radiotelephone Operator License" at Home! It had some great information, and it's about a topic that I've never even heard of. Articles like this - sound advice on something that I know absolutely nothing about - are why wikiHow is so great, so articles like these are an awesome addition to the site.

Thanks again for starting the article, and I hope to see more of your contributions around the site!

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At 08:20, Aug 23, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Hey Dano,
I thought you might be able to look over Fly an Airplane and make the article better. No biggie, though, if you don't have the time or the inclination. It is something that one of the editing fellows filled out, but you undoubtably have a better idea what to put in there and how to organize it.
Ron

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At 20:14, Aug 23, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Thank you, Dano!

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At 23:55, Aug 24, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Thank you so much Dano,
You hit the nail on the head with your take on the article when you said you cannot learn about flying by reading about it. I will definitely pass the feedback on. It seems that there are very few of us crying out loud about this. The editing fellows have their head in books and internet resources and have precious little of the real life experience which I feel is essential to writing about the crafts, skills, and tradesman work.

You learn by doing and, after a while, the task becomes a part of you and oozes out. I feel you cannot write well or accurately about so many things until you have done them and done them for a while while paying close attention to all the aspects and nuances. For one thing, you would not know if something is definitely wrong and a bad idea even to try. You have done great just in providing this feedback.
Ron

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At 18:21, Aug 26, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Good observation, Dano! I will pass that along also.
Would you mind briefly listing what might be missing from the article (just in general terms)? I am sure it is a lot, particularly about safety and communication.
Ron

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At 20:22, Aug 26, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

I am also thinking it might be a good start to "How to Prepare to Fly an Airplane in an Emergency." The first part of the article could be: Familiarize yourself with the terminology and instruments. The second part could be how to communicate with the tower. And the third part might be how to follow the instructions and what to expect. This could be another of your awesome articles if you wanted to take it on.
Ron

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At 01:47, Aug 27, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Awesome, Dano.
I'll chip in as I am able. Feel free to copy and paste anything of value from the other article. I plan to nominate it for deletion as dangerous, reckless, and irrational or for accuracy issues. I will have to bring in my high level consultant (Isorhythmic/Jeff) on that matter, though. lol
Ron

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At 02:09, Aug 27, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

It is a joke article! The emergency would be gotta get outta here NOW. lol

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At 16:28, Aug 27, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Dano,
I think it would be best to start a new article. This gives you a fresh palette. Don't be shy, though, about using the material in the existing article as a guide to help come up with a good outline. Also, feel free to use the existing steps or modify them if they are useful.
Ron

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At 16:48, Aug 27, 2014

JordanJordan said:

Hi Danoyachtcapt. Thank you for starting a new article on wikiHow!

I noticed that a title you started (How to Prepare to Fly an Airplane in an Emergency) is very similar to a title we already have. It looks like they might be duplicates! On wikiHow, we consider two articles to be duplicates when their titles are practically interchangeable (even if the content is different). When we find a duplicate, we then work to make sure all the information ends up consolidated on one page, typically the one with the simpler, more commonly searched title. That way, our readers can find everything about that particular topic in one place.

If you agree that the title you started is a duplicate, you can help by adding your how-to advice to the other page. The duplicate page will likely get removed in about a week, and we don't want to lose all the great information you provided. If you don't think your article is actually a duplicate, feel free to leave a note on the discussion page (which you can find here) explaining why, and let me know, too. Sometimes we make mistakes, and we definitely don't want to delete it if it is different!

If you have any questions or need help with anything, just reply to this message. Thanks again for contributing!

At 19:23, Aug 27, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Dano,
I am quite sure that the title is distinct and not a duplicate and have messaged Jordan to clarify the issue. I have marked the article as inuse so that no one else will edit the article until you are through. Also, the article will not be voted upon for deletion until one week after that tag is taken off.

The article is off to an awesome start! You are supplying information that no one else on this site who has the knowledge and expertise has taken the time to supply. As a community, we welcome the content you have been supplying and I will do my best to make sure that the content stays on the site.

My best advice to you is to keep on writing the article as you are doing and not worry about any deletions. I will share some information that most wikiHowians might not know.—Even a deleted article can be resurrected by an administrator.

It is my considered opinion that there is plenty of room within the titles for many overlapping articles from you—how to understand the instrument panel, how to understand and manipulate the controls, how to prepare for an emergency flight, how to communicate with the tower in an emergency.

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At 19:26, Aug 27, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Dano,
Jordan has (or will) take the NFD tag off the article.
Ron

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At 19:43, Aug 27, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

No problem, Dano,
Take your time on the article. It is not going anywhere. In the meantime, I'll be watching over your shoulder.
Ron

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At 01:29, Aug 29, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Dano,
Photos are most easily added by following these steps:

  1. Edit the article.
  2. Enter advanced editing mode.
  3. Position your cursor after the step/substep.
  4. Click on the rightmost icon in the tool bar at the top of the edit pane (the one with a plus).
  5. Sort through the images and/or change the search criteria.
  6. Select an appropriate image and follow the prompts.

Alternatively, you can take your own pictures and upload them as described in How to Put a Photo in a wikiHow Article.

Note that photos will be positioned above steps and below substeps.
I'll be checking the article this weekend as I am really low on energy at the moment. I am sure it is great, though.
Ron

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At 21:42, Aug 29, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

Dano,
Prepare to Fly an Airplane in an Emergency is coming along swimmingly. I would suggest putting the {{inuse}} template back on the article. This will eliminate edit conflicts as you work on the article.

I also noticed that WritingEnthusiast14 rolled back the images you placed. I moved the code from the introduction into the first step. I hope that is where it is supposed to go. Where are the others supposed to go?
Looking very good!<Ron>

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At 23:08, Aug 29, 2014

SerendipiteeSerendipitee said:

I put the inuse tag on the article again for you, Dano. It goes first.
Ron

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At 04:19, Sep 03, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Very, sweet, Dano. I have transitioned all my activity to Alabaster. (I was running two accounts—Serendipitee and Alabaster.) I am in the process of writing my first article and, so am a bit tied up. I can't wait to see yours, though, and work on it a bit. The parts of if that I saw looked very good! I should be able to look at it tomorrow and, perhaps even boost it. (I have booster rights on the Alabaster account.)

At 03:52, Sep 08, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I did a little on the airplane article. It actually seems like another title might fit it better. I mean the article is like semi-rigorous flight training.

At 18:54, Sep 08, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Hey, Dano. I am Ron. I was using two accounts, but have suspended activity on the Serendipitee account. Just tell me what you want to cover in this article and I can suggest appropriate titles that will not likely not be judged as duplicates. This seems like it might be "Learn Basic Airplane Control" or "Learn Basic Airplane Control in a Cessna 172." I also found How to Land an Airplane in an Emergency which seems to be really good, but you would be the one to know! Maybe you could check it out and, if anything seems off, then fix it or let me know?

At 19:39, Sep 08, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

It is really up to you. Do you want me to make the title How to Learn Basic Airplane Control for a Cessna 172"?

At 19:50, Sep 08, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Cool. You are the Man! A lot of people have the dream. That article has been visited 370,000 times and I bet most of them feel they could land a plane if they had to. haha

At 19:57, Sep 08, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

It is really hard to say. The sensational titles tend to get tons of views, but I, personally, would tend to read and follow something a little more down to earth that actually was correct and informative, but that is just me. I will ask around and see what others think.

At 16:02, Sep 10, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I am going little-by-little through the article and will eventually make it to the end. It is looking promising, actually, as a mini-training that would get you nearly flight-ready for an emergency. I thought you might enjoy this video of portions of a Budapest air show - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0px9HFIVYjY

At 17:43, Sep 11, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Glad you liked the video.

At 00:44, Sep 13, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

It is looking better all the time. Hopefully, I will be able to keep working on the article. I am trying to dumb it down into layman's terms so it will be a bit less boggling and more understandable to untrained individuals.

At 01:34, Sep 13, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Yeah, the the is one of my glitches when I retrace steps or change a word choice. Another is double adverbs or verbs. When proof-reading, I sometimes skip right over those even when I am trying to read the article word-for-word.

I am very sure that you completely know and understand what you are talking about on all of this, but am a tinge concerned about how others might take them some of the words and terms. Your words don't seem curt.—It's just that it seems like they might not be immediately grasped, especially when aviation terms pile on top of each other.

On a side note, it seems like there is a lot of interest in this topic. (There are quite a few reads for the short time it has been up.)

At 04:09, Sep 13, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

One online word count has it at 2667. Another has this - http://screencast.com/t/wmC4pvO9hi. (click to enlarge) Pretty interesting.

At 20:29, Sep 13, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I finished one pass on Prepare to Fly an Airplane in an Emergency. You should now have plenty of fixin' to do. (It is somewhere close to 3,333 words now.)

At 22:11, Sep 13, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I don't stutter when I talk, only when I write.—The the autopilot might be useful in an emergency. You would be the one to know if it makes any sense to add it, though.

At 01:51, Sep 14, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Then you need to say in the introduction that the visual landing is only a remote possibility during the day if you are adequately prepared and that the automatic pilot is the best shot at night or in stormy conditions. That other article (with ⅓ million views) panders to what people would like to believe is possible, but has not helped one person come close to actually being able to achieve the feat. We should aim to make this article realistic and actually achievable, in my humble opinion.

At 15:01, Sep 14, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano, I published another change.

At 17:46, Sep 14, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

OK. Should I pull the {{inuse}} tag off of it then?

At 18:10, Sep 14, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

You are the one who did all the work, supplied all the information, and has the aching wrists. So, good job to you, too—to the two of us!

At 22:14, Sep 14, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I have been looking at some Cessna 172 articles and yours seems to be head and shoulders above the others. It is really informative.

However, Jonathan Thorne has some articles that I thought were good:

Don't hesitate to add or correct any of the articles on wikiHow.

At 17:59, Sep 15, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

If you are, in good faith, trying to improve the article, the help you give will likely be well-received. Most contributors appreciate the fact that articles actually improve through combined effort. Usually, there is no harm and no foul after you talk out any divergent opinions and settle on what is actually the most helpful content and wording for the readers.

In the case of Land a Cessna 172, an anonymous user started the article eight years ago and the article has been edited over fifty times since then. The author has undoubtedly moved on in his or her life.

Actually, there are only a small percentage (<3%) of authors who are real sticky about changes to their creations. I just stay away from editing those. You can always look at the article history and determine if they are actively editing the article. But, I would say it is the norm to only visit your articles occasionally after the first couple of months. Also, everyone gets that the great majority of editors are trying to help the articles become better and more usable, so I wouldn't worry too much. After all this is a wiki that anyone can edit.—Plus, everything is reversible.

At 18:03, Sep 15, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano, I think your edits to Land a Cessna 172 were well-placed, appropriate, and helpful. What else do you want? lol - By the way, good job!

At 20:11, Sep 15, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Every article is different. With yours, I tried to take the words of an accomplished expert and build a bridge to the understanding of a novice.

At 16:19, Sep 16, 2014

WritingEnthusiast14WritingEnthusiast14 said:

I just chose your article on how to Prepare to Fly an Airplane in an Emergency to be a Rising Star. That means it is one of the best new articles on wikiHow. Congratulations, and thanks for the great contribution!

Reply to WritingEnthusiast14

At 19:53, Sep 16, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I think you created a very sweet and helpful article. I like it a lot!

At 22:12, Sep 16, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

What do you think about the video I put on the article?

At 18:07, Sep 17, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I think we should be proud that we were able to create such an extraordinarily helpful learning tool. I feel like I learned a lot, myself, about what it might take to fly a 172.

The funny thing is that a contributor removed the video because it "didn't perfectly match the text." I don't know how you could get any closer. Like you said, the video seems like it was made for the article. I feel it does a super job of amplifying the important parts of the article and making them concrete.

The next hurdle will be when Wikivisual tries to put an image on every single step and substep. You might end up with something like the images in this article about a single engine plane. (What a joke!)

When the time comes, don't be shy about posting to the Wikivisual talk page about what is wrong with any of the images or about how it could be made better. Also, don't be afraid to strip those images from the article that get in the way of actually enabling readers to learn effectively.

At 18:38, Sep 17, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

The image is definitely an improvement. You don't need a separate step for images though. Just drop them anywhere in the step. (They display above steps, but below substeps.)

At 18:59, Sep 17, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

As it stands, the images do not allow for captioning unless they are reduced in size (pixels) past a certain point. I am not sure if derivative works are allowed for that particular image, but I will try to find out.

I had thought to drop little labels into the image under the various controls that are visible. (I did put the listing below the image in a bit more of an intuitive order so that the listing corresponds to what you can easily identify in the image, going from left to right.) I had also toyed with the idea of making the descriptions match the image more closely, like red knob with a silver center next to the throttle, but I didn't know if all 172s had the same knob or not.

At 19:28, Sep 17, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Oh, yeah. No problem with reusing the photos. You can also edit the article and search through some images, then select the one you like as described in How to Put a Photo in a wikiHow Article.

At 03:59, Sep 25, 2014

MaluniuMaluniu said:

Hey there, just wanted to let you know that How to Prepare to Fly an Airplane in an Emergency will be a featured article on October 8th! Congrats!

At 18:13, Sep 25, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Woot, woot! Congratulations. You are awesome!

At 18:25, Sep 25, 2014

WritingEnthusiast14Writing Enthusiast said:

Hey Dano!
Congrats on getting your article featured! :)

Reply to Writing Enthusiast

At 19:35, Sep 25, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Yep. As you said—Good team! You supplied the knowledge and I shaped it. Now I am thinking more strongly about dropping some labels into that last image you put on the article. From NFD to featured in under a month!

You worked hard on it and almost wore out your wrist, but it was worth. This article might start some budding pilots down the road. Plus, you can always point students to this (and your other articles). All the flying ones are very helpful. I am not sure about moving a tank, though. lol

At 20:17, Sep 25, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I do not think the article needs to aim to make a pilot out of each of the readers, just to give them the beginning of understanding what needs to go on. Overloading with technical terms makes the readers eyes glaze over and they lose the flow of the article as well as the understanding of what is being said. I am big on using the correct terminology, but if it is used exclusively, the article might become less readable and less helpful.

Why don't you make the changes that you think need to be made and I will see if I can adjust them for easier understanding. Don't be afraid to make changes as any changes can easily be undone.

At 20:21, Sep 25, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Yes. It is a fine line with the detail. You have to remember that this is a popularization of the technicalities of flying and is aimed to connect with "Average Joe," not to precisely define each and every instrument and maneuver in aviation jargon.

At 01:23, Sep 26, 2014

AdelaideAdelaide said:

Congrats on the RS, Dano! You were even featured here: http://forums.wikihow.com/discussion/12451/community-achievements-of-the-week-9.24.14/. Congrats :)

At 17:42, Sep 26, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

An RS is a rising star - one of the better new articles on wikiHow. Those are indicated by the next to most of the articles you started (on your user page).

At 03:57, Oct 02, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Saw an intriguing video that might interest you.

(One week to the featuring!)

At 00:22, Oct 13, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Whoop, whoop! Over 13,000 unique readers have at least opened up your article for a read! Wow - featuring really made that number jump.

At 17:28, Oct 13, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I am proud of our effort and you should be too!

At 17:35, Oct 13, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Comments on the article:

  • thanks for the information
  • Thorough and understandable.
  • If you can't accept the fact that it is your time to go, stay out of airplanes with only one pilot.
  • It was not too technical and yet gave us some indication of all the items in the sixpack which are needed to be able to land safely!
  • Thanks to Danoyachtcapt, Jordan, Serendipitee, WritingEnthusiast14 and I hope that I don't have to use this!

At 22:27, Oct 14, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano-

Any chance you could replace the last picture in the article (which is a duplicate anyway) with an eye-catching image of an airborne Cessna 172? How to Put a Photo in a wikiHow Article will give the basics, however no Flickr images are available at the moment. Adding a poppin' image will drive even more readers to your article.

At 03:09, Oct 15, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

No one will notice the difference. I am going to put the image you put on my talk page on the article! Let me know if you find one that is better!

At 16:25, Oct 15, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Yeah, Dano, I was looking for more engaging images to draw potential readers into the article and was having a devil of a time deciding which plane was a 172. That's when I called in the pro—Danoyachtcapt. lol.

At 19:44, Oct 15, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Ah ha—I see those differences and several more, now that I look at the pictures side-by-side. I let Krystle know that the central image which displays is better. Maybe she will enlarge the block which displays the article on the wikiHow home page.

At 16:18, Oct 17, 2014

KrystleKrystle said:

I just chose your article on how to Get Your FCC "General Radiotelephone Operator License" at Home to be a Rising Star. That means it is one of the best new articles on wikiHow. Congratulations, and thanks for the great contribution!

At 16:26, Oct 17, 2014

KrystleKrystle said:

Hey there,

Hello and thanks for writing so many informative articles! Congrats on your featured article :)

I was wondering if you had any feedback on this related article: How to Fly an Airplane Is it accurate? Please feel free to edit or even completely rewrite it. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

At 22:23, Oct 17, 2014

KrystleKrystle said:

You did a wonderful job. It's great that you collaborated with Ron on it!

You wrote "That's good for that article but I would like to rewrite it for people wanting to be pilots, in another title"

What title do you have in mind?

At 06:38, Oct 18, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,

If you want to try it, you will probably wear out your wrist. The currently featured article is extremely long and one that is more detailed and uses the proper terminology is liable to be longer. There might be a way that it could be broken down into modules, perhaps with a gateway article. I see many long, information-filled topics:

  • Learning the terminology
  • Learning the mechanics of a plane
  • Learning the physics of aerodynamics
  • Learning the instruments
  • Learning the controls
  • Preparing for ground school
  • Learning to navigate and communicate
  • Learning the flight phases
  • Practicing flying
  • Preparing for emergencies and bad weather
  • Completing ground school
  • Recreational piloting
  • Commercial piloting

There is a slight problem in that many titles already exist on flying an airplane and becoming a pilot. As you know, the titling of an article can be quite tricky. What are you thinking?

At 19:11, Oct 18, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I think it is easily doable. First you would write an article about planning to become a pilot, fitting it into your life, and committing to the project personally. This might include: understanding the components of the certification process, laying out the time requirements, inventorying the resources needed, and actually making the commitment.

Within that article, you could link a series of articles, each of which details a particular phase. And the individual articles could link appropriately to the previous and succeeding articles in the series. You might end up with fifteen or twenty pretty substantial chunks of information, but, in the end, you might have created something that is truly useful to someone wanting to learn as much about flying and go as far toward piloting a plane as they can on their own.

I think you have to ask yourself if it is worth it to you, personally, to develop such an extensive set of instructions and also how those instructions can be expected to improve upon what is already available.

If links are used judiciously, aspiring pilots might be directed to appropriate existing resources. This way of providing the information brings forth several issues:

  • Will another wikiHow editor "junk up" the links to outside resources by adding a crowd of noncritical links? Or, might an editor disallow a needed, critical outside resource?
  • How will the outside resources change over time? Will the links go dead? Who will maintain the network of links?

At 21:01, Oct 18, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Well, Dano,

Shake it all down and see if you can lead someone along a reasonable path. There is nothing to say you have to do it all right away or that you can't try multiple approaches.

You go ahead and create what you think might be most useful and I'll lend a hand if I am able.

At 20:57, Oct 20, 2014

KrystleKrystle said:

Hi Dano,

I see how this can get overwhelming! There's so much information to share and so many ways to share it. Please don't let that discourage though. We could really benefit from your expertise around here.

Also, don't worry about repeating other articles. With your experience, it's likely that your knowledge trumps that of the other articles!

At 22:02, Oct 24, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Yes, Dano - You can go round and round on the images. Personally, I prefer not to have them in the articles and skip over them most of the time, paying them no mind unless they just scream, "wrong" so loud I can't ignore them. However, there are times when the images help me to understand something I would not otherwise. Usually this is in a screenshot of a software configuration or in a craft project. By and large, I find an actual photograph to be better than an artist's visualization, particularly in something like a cockpit setting, where the little details are so important and easy to get wrong.

I can see how images help to build readership to astronomical numbers and that is why they are spread everywhere, but I consider the images to be a popularization. I dislike that they interpret each piece of information and encourage nonthinking and intellectual/emotional disengagement. I think, in a lot of cases, that the images get in the way completing the how to; in others they are marvelously helpful in completing a task.

I guess what I really object to is their blanket use and the lack of consideration for whether an individual image is actually helpful in a particular instance or not. Accepting them across the board without questioning each carefully is akin to accepting all written edits without screening them with an eye for rejecting those that hurt article quality.

The images are like a flood and one individual can do little to turn the tide. With any of the images, though, feel free to remove it if it is misleading, incorrect, or not helpful. You can also hover in the lower left corner of each image and click on the "Helpful?" that is revealed. From there, you can say what is right or wrong about the image and give feedback on how to make it better or correct it. I would make sure that all of the images are factually correct, particularly the ones that relate to the gauges—dial layouts, colors, and number ranges and the answer to reading the six pack.

Some of the readings in step 3 do not match the answer. That is not helpful, and builds confusion. I would not accept anything of less quality and care than what you put into wording each step. The images are supposed to enhance quality and not compromise it in any way. Mostly they are pretty good, but there are some epic fails that need to be jettisoned. You will probably be able to see several of these in the article, at least.

At 16:18, Oct 25, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,

Do not hesitate to remove images that do not add value to the article and, especially, the ones that are misleading, counter-productive, or just plain wrong. Even get rid of the images that you feel hurt the flow of the article and impair reader understanding. Everything that is added to an article is supposed to increase value.—If not, throw it in the trash can.

Beyond that, you can contact Wikivisual to ask that they let you screen additional images before adding them to the article. Most likely, they will then lock the article to Wikivisual edits.

You made it over 20,000 views as a featured article! Hopefully the article will interest and educate many more as well as spark a few to become pilots.

I look forward to working with you on future projects.

At 19:51, Oct 25, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Awesome, Dano. It is looking better! (I pulled an image just now, too.) Don't be shy about removing them.—No one is going to get upset.—Everyone wants the article to be as good as it can be.

I will let the article settle a bit and see what might I think might actually help the reader's understanding. Let me (or WikiVisual) know if there are particular images that might be created and added that will help the article.

If you would prefer, I will take care of communicating with the "powers that be" about refraining from placing additional images on the article.

At 05:39, Oct 26, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

My message to Wikivisual - http://www.wikihow.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AWikivisual&diff=15725593&oldid=15724772

At 17:29, Oct 26, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Yep. Wikivisual has carte blanche to place/replace an image on every step and substep across the site. This is something that came from the staff, not the community. It is certainly a mixed bag. They create some extremely engaging and helpful images, but you probably don't even want to see some of their worst work.

Anyway,—Here is some data that might be of interest to you. - http://screencast.com/t/Gkhs5kw5P

At 17:39, Oct 26, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Put it in a tip.

At 17:46, Oct 26, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I added a tip here. Feel free to adjust the wording. I also fed back to Wikivisual that the operating range on the tach should not be indicated in red as red usually indicates over-limit rpms.

At 17:49, Oct 26, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I am pretty sure there are over 175,000 articles on wikiHow.

At 00:34, Oct 28, 2014

KrystleKrystle said:

Your edits look great :) Keep up the amazing work. I'm sorry that the images weren't perfect. Please do remove them if they don't make sense!

At 04:05, Oct 29, 2014

KrystleKrystle said:

Hi Dano,

Not sure if you're familiar with this, but a "barnstar" is a very special award on a wiki website, and I'm awarding one to you:

High Quality wikiHow Contributor
Barnstar.png
Even though you ran into some obstacles when you started out, you persevered, worked things out with people, and continued sharing your immense specialized knowledge with us. I hope you stick around for many edits and articles to come and continue helping us improve the accuracy and quality of our articles!

At 04:09, Oct 29, 2014

AdelaideAdelaide said:

Congratulations on being accorded a well-deserved Barnstar, Dano! And keep up the awesome work! Persistent wikiHowians are exactly what we need for this project :)

At 04:12, Oct 29, 2014

KrystleKrystle said:

At 04:33, Oct 29, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano, dano... I am so excited for you!

Awesome!

At 04:59, Oct 29, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

FYI-

How to Award a wikiHow User a Barnstar

Oh—I put the barnstar on your user page too!

At 15:49, Oct 29, 2014

IliveunderawesomerockIliveunderawesomerock said:

Congratulations on the Barnstar you really deserved it. Keep up the good work and may you have many more.

Reply to Iliveunderawesomerock

At 17:51, Oct 29, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I noticed you moved at least one article from "Flight Training" to the more general category "Cars & Other Vehicles." The directive for categorizing is to place the article in the narrowest relevant category as laid out in How to Categorize a wikiHow Article. FYI - There is already an "Aviation" category as shown in this capture of the pertinent part of the category tree. If you are interested, here is the whole category tree.

Requests to add categories are made in the forums (currently handled by Maluniu). The directions are here or you can read How to Suggest a New Category on wikiHow. Take a look over this material and some forums threads in New Category Suggestions to develop an understanding of how it goes. Maluniu can answer any questions you might have about categories or the process. She is awesomely wise, knowledgeable, helpful, and kind! (and would make a good Scout)

I just found a treasure trove of information about the category structure.

Whew! Who knew?

At 17:55, Oct 29, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

You said:
I put a couple aviation articles in the "Cars and Other Vehicles" categories and it seemed to give a boost to the views.
Views are updated once a day, so that might have been what you saw.

At 21:39, Oct 29, 2014

KrystleKrystle said:

You are very welcome! :)

At 22:51, Oct 29, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,

I am not exactly sure what you are talking about on category images. When I look in the categories, I see arrays of images no matter what the category level:

What controls the images you see within that array is whether the individual articles have at least one image. (The last image is the one that will be displayed in the array.)

There is a toggle at the top of the category that enables you to switch between images being displayed and a list of links being displayed. Are you see something different? Or is this not even what you are talking about?

At 02:00, Oct 30, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I am not really sure what drives people to the articles, but I do know that the wikihaus does a lot of tracking and research. Mainly, I feel that some important factors are:

  • the topic being popular
  • the article being linked from other websites and forums
  • the article being featured on the home page (as you have seen)

Most of all, it takes time to build views. I just try to make the articles as good as I can and let the rest take care of itself.

At 02:58, Oct 30, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Yes. I am with you on that and would do the same on my articles, but Supercharge Collaborative Decisions has about 150 views a week compared to Kill a Fly Quickly's 650/week and Prepare to Fly an Airplane in an Emergency's 2500/week. The only thing that tells me, is pick a popular topic and get it featured. To me, though, the joy comes from how many people you help rather than how many people you entertain.

At 18:15, Oct 30, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

It was featured because it was awesome; nothing less. I am quite certain that if you want to devote that much time and energy to another article that it will be featured as well. After all, Krystle is tracking you and she is the one who picks the articles for featuring. Most articles she picks are not nearly so good as yours. (And some are downright lousy, in my opinion.)

At 05:44, Nov 10, 2014

MaluniuMaluniu said:

Hey there, just wanted to give you a head's up that How to Get Your FCC "General Radiotelephone Operator License" at Home will be a featured article today on November 10th! Congrats!!

At 16:15, Nov 13, 2014

Scarlett653Scarlett said:

Mighty Pen
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"The pen is mightier than the sword" -Edward Bulwer-Lytton
Reply to Scarlett

At 16:15, Nov 13, 2014

Scarlett653Scarlett said:

Thanks for your hard work making articles!

Reply to Scarlett

At 17:08, Nov 13, 2014

Scarlett653Scarlett said:

sure :)

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At 17:15, Nov 16, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Congratulations on two more featurings!

At 01:53, Dec 29, 2014

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Hope you are having wonderful, shared times during the Holidays!

At 19:00, Jan 04, 2015

AlabasterAlabaster said:

lol. Welcome to life! Let me know if you want to pick it up at any point. I'll be happy to "lend a hand" if I feel I am able.

By the way, I am an electrical engineer by training, too, but have not worked directly in that field for thirty years. However, I do plan to crank up a major effort to benefit the world in the very near future and would welcome your participation if you are so inclined. What is your specialty/range of comfort within the EE spectrum?

At 02:55, Jan 18, 2015

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,

Alert, alert. Look at wikiVisual did: http://www.wikihow.com/index.php?title=Start-Free-Online-Pilot-Training-with-FAA-Safety.gov&oldid=16363724. I removed all images except the first two. They were so far off from what the steps said that is almost comical. It is as if a little kid randomly pointed to a random spot on a random page on the website.

Anyway, I wrote this to wikiVisual:

Alabaster said:

There was a set of completely ridiculous and confusing images added to Start Free Online Pilot Training with FAA Safety.gov. The instructions were perfectly correct and easy to follow, but the screenshots after Step 2 pointed to unassociated pages and locations, so they are confusing in the highest order. In my opinion, the images totally trash the article, making it inaccurate and impossible to follow unless the reader is astute enough to completely ignore the images and follow only the written instructions.

I hate to be so negative, and I may be wrong in what I am seeing, but I actually followed each of the steps as I rewrote Dano's article and, unless things have changed, I beseech you (Anna or Krystle) to follow the written instructions and compare what you see to what the images suggest. I really would hate to think that there are other instances which do such disservice to a well-written article.

(I have to wonder if the individual who spent time developing this set of images even knows enough English to follow the instructions so that the correct screenshot can be captured.)

ONE BIG ARGGGH!

At 03:08, Jan 18, 2015

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Another message to wikiVisual:

Alabaster said:
Strike two. The images added to Get Your FCC General Radiotelephone Operator License at Home are incorrect after Step 1. I have removed them because they do not enhance understanding of the instructions. Instead they obfuscate the instructions and make the article inaccurate. I hate to think how much money has been paid to various entities to turn excellent articles into trash.

At 22:16, Jan 18, 2015

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,

You said:
Yes, I once thought of adding the Government FCC web pages to the article, but I considered it plagiarism and dropped the idea. dano
In most cases, screen shots are "fair use," one exception being a screen shot of a video in progress.

At 12:34, Apr 28, 2015

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Hey Dano,

I hope all is well in your world and look forward to collaborating with you on a real life project (read EE). I thought you might enjoy several of these "pilot's wisdom":

1. Every takeoff is optional. Every landing is mandatory.

2. If you push the stick forward, the houses get bigger. If you pull the stick back, they get smaller. That is, unless you keep pulling the stick all the way back, then they get bigger again.

3. Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous.

4. It's always better to be down here wishing you were up there than up there wishing you were down here.

5. The ONLY time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

6. The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane used to keep the pilot cool. Because when it stops, you can actually watch the pilot start sweating.

7. When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No one has ever collided with the sky.

8. A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again.

9. Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself.

10. You know you've landed with the wheels up if it takes full power to taxi to the ramp.

11. The probability of survival is inversely proportional to the angle of arrival. Large angle of arrival, small probability of survival and vice-versa.

12. Never let an aircraft take you somewhere your brain didn't get to five minutes earlier.

13. Stay out of clouds. The silver lining everyone keeps talking about might be another airplane going in the opposite direction. Reliable sources also report that mountains have been known to hide out in clouds.

14. Always try to keep the number of landings you make equal to the number of take offs you've made.

15. There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. Unfortunately no one knows what they are.

16. You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.

17. Helicopters can't fly; they're just so ugly the earth repels them.

18. If all you can see out of the window is ground that's going round and round and all you can hear is commotion coming from the passenger compartment, things are not at all as they should be.

19. In the ongoing battle between objects made of aluminum going hundreds of miles per hour and the ground going zero miles per hour, the ground has yet to lose.

20. Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, experience usually comes from bad judgment.

21. It's always a good idea to keep the pointy end going forward as much as possible.

22. Keep looking around. There's always something you've missed.

23. Remember, gravity is not just a good idea. It's the law. And it's not subject to repeal.

24. The four most useless things to a pilot are the altitude above you, runway behind you, gas back at the airport, and a tenth of a second ago.

25. There are old pilots and there are bold pilots. There are, however, no old, bold pilots.

At 18:11, Jun 06, 2016

KrystleKrystle said:

Hey Dano, I don't think I sent a message recently, not sure what happened? How are you, anyway? :)

At 18:23, Jun 08, 2016

AdelaideAdelaide said:

Nice to see you back, Dano! Hope you're doing well?

At 20:05, Jun 08, 2016

KrystleKrystle said:

New articles certainly take time to write :) I did an informal survey in the forums and people said they often spend at least 3 hours writing an article! How long does it usually take you?

At 05:40, Jun 09, 2016

AdelaideAdelaide said:

I just looked at Start Free Pilot Training Online with AOPA.org, it looks great!

At 02:59, Jun 10, 2016

AdelaideAdelaide said:

Hey Dano, thanks for letting me know. We should definitely update the article based on the website updates, and ask Alabaster what he thinks of the edits.

At 12:13, Jun 11, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Hey Dano,
It is great that you are checking back on the articles you started! How are things going?

I looked at the AOPA.org website and they have made a boatload of information available, maybe too much. Anyway, the readers will definitely need some help navigating the website and sorting through the available offerings to determine which of those might be most useful for getting started on learning to fly. If you want to go through the process and develop a rough draft, I will refine it as well as I am able. The other option is to tag the current article as {{historical}}.

At 01:28, Jun 12, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

The layout of the new AOPA.org homepage is definitely a challenge to navigate. I am pretty sure that the layout is not intentionally designed to make it difficult for new users and is, instead, a product of a design that did not properly value usability. It may be a tough nut to crack, but we just need to develop sections which:

  • provide instructions on creating an account
  • list the available classes
    • provide some comments on which courses to tackle and in what order
    • provide instructions for enrolling in and completing classes
  • provide instructions on tracking progress
  • provide a way to get help using the site (hopefully, AOPA provides such a thing)

As a reminder, section headings are created as follows:
=== Section Heading === and the magic word __Parts__ needs to be included as the last line in the article.

At 22:49, Jun 20, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

Cheers for the updates on the AOPA article, Dano! I adjusted the formatting for you a little so that the image shows up correctly. Is it looking good to you now?

At 22:58, Jun 20, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

No prob at all - any time :)

At 23:30, Jun 20, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

No problem! I adjusted it for you here :)

At 23:49, Jun 20, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

Hah the images are definitely tricky- no stress!

At 13:53, Jun 21, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
I am sorry for the late reply as to your inquiring about uploading and embedding images in wikiHow articles. It seems that you have figured it out on your own. Sweet!

At 19:20, Jun 21, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Yes, a big family indeed! It is definitely good to have Anna's help and input!

At 21:25, Jun 25, 2016

Galactic-RadianceAlex said:

Hey, just a heads-up: you don't want to put images next to the == Steps==, === Methods or Parts ===, == Tips ==, or anything else with multiple equals signs. It ends up breaking the formatting. :)

At 21:36, Jun 25, 2016

Galactic-RadianceAlex said:

What you do is put it next to an actual step, not the word "Steps". :) For example, if this was how I had my article set up:

== Steps ==
# Here is step one.

Then I would place the image like this:

== Steps ==
# Here is step one. [[Image:Example.jpg|center]]

Does that make more sense now?

At 21:47, Jun 25, 2016

Galactic-RadianceAlex said:

No problem! :)

At 21:56, Jun 25, 2016

Galactic-RadianceAlex said:

It was the CSR one.

At 23:02, Jun 25, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
Everything in How to Win at CSR Racing looks good to me, including the logo since it is a screenshot (I assume). I would hesitate to add the video from their website as it is flat out promotional and seems to violate our video curation guidelines. Of course, this is only my opinion and opinions vary. If you would like, I will ask Anna for a second opinion, or you can. Just let me know your thoughts.
---Ron

At 17:10, Jun 26, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Now that Krystle has moved on, Anna is the community facilitator and has superb judgement in these matters. Even though any administrator can make a judgement and handle the article deletion (if it is needed), I would bring my concerns to Anna. You do not have to explain everything again, but can simply link this diff: https://www.wikihow.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAlabaster&action=historysubmit&diff=20482298&oldid=20482135.

At 15:55, Jun 27, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

Heya Dano,

Thanks for the note about the game. Ah yes, lots of those apps have options to buy in-game perks these days - always bugs me!

That being said, I don't think we need to be too concerned about that from the point of view of keeping the article here. Having paid options in a game doesn't violate our policies in any way, and doesn't mean that readers don't want help in learning how to play. That's just how the game works - and how many do these days! Hopefully any parent concerned about in-app purchases will likely have password controls on their device :)

I appreciated your warning in the intro, though! I tweaked things a little to make it a bit more concise. Does this look okay to you?

At 16:06, Jun 27, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

No prob Dano - I appreciate your looking out for readers on that one! Those games can be tricky with their tactics.

At 16:21, Jun 27, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

Oh great! Glad you liked the changes. Thanks for reviewing the edit!

At 23:36, Jun 27, 2016

JordanJordan said:

Thank you for the thumbs up! :)

At 21:26, Jun 28, 2016

KrystleKrystle said:

Hey Dano! Looks like Anna's got this covered :) Sorry it took me a bit to reply, it's been a crazy week!

At 23:07, Jun 29, 2016

KrystleKrystle said:

Thanks Dano. I'm actually about to take a break from wikiHow, after I move on from being a part of the staff this week. But I'll be back as a volunteer :)

At 23:21, Jun 30, 2016

KrystleKrystle said:

Dano, thank you for sharing that with me. It really makes me happy that the barnstar has been a source of pride for you. You really should feel proud, you are a fantastic contributor!

At 15:55, Jul 05, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

No problem - hope you had a good weekend? I forget - are you in the US? If so, hope you celebrated thoroughly! :)

At 17:30, Jul 05, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

Aw sounds great! We stayed local but definitely enjoyed some barbecue and firework time, even from home :)

At 19:22, Jul 05, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

Aw sorry about that nasty message - yes, I'll take care of it! Thanks for letting me know!

At 19:30, Jul 05, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

Indeed!!

At 18:03, Jul 15, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I would be glad to help fix How to Fly an Airplane, but am wondering how the article would be substantially different from what you created in How to Prepare to Fly an Airplane in an Emergency (other than the title). After just a quick perusal, it seems to me that the article was more accurate after my edit here. Perhaps that would be a better place to start?

At 18:48, Jul 15, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

Ah, thanks for the note about it - interesting! We do have a worldwide audience, so tangling apart different terminology in different countries can get tricky. Do you think anything existing needs clarifying, though? It's getting good helpfulness ratings from readers overall but if there are some inaccuracies or clarifications needed for different locations, we can definitely do that to make it even better!

At 22:11, Jul 15, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

You're welcome - thanks for the adjustments and additions. Very nice!

At 13:01, Jul 16, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
You might be interested in this screencast.

I copyedited the introduction and first section of How to Fly an Airplane.
https://www.wikihow.com/index.php?title=Fly-an-Airplane&diff=20600582&oldid=20596008

Would you mind taking a look?

At 19:18, Jul 16, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
I saw your nice additions detailing the six pack. I have a bit going on this afternoon and evening, but will try to do a bit more in the morning.

At 12:05, Jul 17, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
I am having a bit of trouble sorting the takeoff procedure and was wondering if you could take a look. My first couple of questions/concerns are captured in this screencast.

Also, I removed the reference to the heading indicator calibration procedure since I do not think there is yet one in this article (but I may be wrong). Feel free to adjust this as you see fit.

At 12:21, Jul 18, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
I am wondering if you have been clicking the dark green links to my screencasts and diffs. Won't have time to look at the article this morning.

At 14:21, Jul 18, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

The Jing (free software) screencast allows you to capture a frame within the page currently displayed on your screen. You can then mark up the capture by boxing in areas, using arrows, and adding text boxes containing your comments or notes. When you hit the three up-pointing arrows icon, Jing uploads the image data to a page in the cloud, hosts that page, and provides you a link. I shared the screencast links with you in my messages, so, when you click on the links, the images should be generated.

On my computer, the image supplants the talk page, making it necessary to back-arrow in browser navigation to get back to the wikiHow talk page. Alternatively, you can Cntrl+Click, then select Open Link in New Tab.

At 14:55, Jul 18, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

I don't actually have contact info for that person, but if you want you could add the emergency title as a Related wikiHow to the topic? That way, anyone reading can check out both options. Cheers for working more on the article!

At 15:48, Jul 18, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

Ok great - I added that in as a Related :)

At 16:22, Jul 18, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

Oh I see - no, I think that works, too. No worries!

At 17:24, Jul 18, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
You are fine. We had an edit conflict, so I over-wrote two of your edits, but restored them. I am out of here to do some work on the house I bought for my dad. Have a good one!

At 17:57, Jul 18, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

The number of reads depends mostly on what people are interested in. There are a lot more people interested in How to Kiss than in How to Prepare to Fly an Airplane in an Emergency. Still, the article has averaged 300 new viewers each week since the day you first published it and that is a great number. And, you can't really change the number of people who actually see your article and are also interested in reading it. All you can do is make it as helpful and as easy to assimilate as you can.

It is up to you about writing another How to Fly article, though. I'll help a little each day.

Also, I would encourage you to go through How to Fly an Airplane one more time. It can always be improved. (My concern is that the parts added by non-pilots are not complete and accurate.)

At 18:33, Jul 18, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Sweet, Dano! You are awesome as ever!

At 18:59, Jul 19, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Nice set of edits, Dano! It is a cinch that neither of us could create something so excellent alone, only through working together and with the help of others.

At 23:29, Jul 19, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
I went over the article and added your articles as relateds and copyedited the last two sections. Would you mind giving the article the "once-over" to make sure I didn't mess anything up?

At 00:10, Jul 21, 2016

AdelaideAdelaide said:

Hey Dano! Congrats on being featured in our Community Achievements listings! It's been awhile, how have you been?

At 18:25, Jul 21, 2016

AdelaideAdelaide said:

Awesome! It's nice to see Ron around again.

At 18:44, Jul 23, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
The views on articles are unique views, that is, if you visit the same article multiple times, it is tallied as only one view. Also, views are not updated continuously, but whenever the software to update the views is run. I think this is once daily, though I may be wrong on the frequency. Anna probably knows more specific details, or can find out if you are interested.

At 17:36, Jul 26, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

We don't have a great way of including references in the Q&A section just yet, and it's been a bit of a magnet for spammers, so in general I think your best bet is to either just answer the questions directly or direct them to a wikiHow article for more detail, if it's needed. A link to another site is relatively likely to be weeded out or flagged as iffy. Better to answer the questions directly where possible :)

This is just a beta release so the categories are limited for now, but in the long run we do hope to add more. I'll let Alissa know you're interested in aviation! You can always browse the aviation section article by article to find the questions on each one there, too, but I know it's more tedious that way...!

At 17:54, Jul 26, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

Sounds great!

At 18:11, Jul 27, 2016

SarahBSarahB said:

Start Free Computer Programming Online at Home

Thanks for contributing to wikiHow. Your efforts to share information here are appreciated.

Unfortunately, I have noticed that your article appears to violate our commercial product guidelines and has been nominated for deletion.

You are welcome to add useful content to wikiHow and share information about how to use your products or services, but only if you follow the guidelines outlined in our article on how to write about commercial topics on wikiHow. Otherwise, the article you created will need to be deleted in order to preserve the quality of our manual.

If you have any questions, I'd be happy to work with you directly to help you learn your way around wikiHow. Feel free to contact me by replying to this message or contact any of our volunteer administrators for help.

Thank you.

At 18:47, Jul 27, 2016

SarahBSarahB said:

Thanks for your message, if you would like to edit the article to meet with our commercial policies that would be good, you can also reach out to Ron as well if you prefer. Please let me know if you would like any help, regards, Sarah

At 19:02, Jul 27, 2016

SarahBSarahB said:

Hi again, not sure what you meant about you voting to delete, this can only be done by admins and boosters, maybe I misunderstood what you mean.

At 19:25, Jul 27, 2016

SarahBSarahB said:

Hi again! the titles are not the same Start Free Computer Programming Online at Home the title you started doesn't mention Khan Academy in the title as the specific Use Khan Academy does! The steps in the article you submitted contains 3 steps, for instance 'go to the site', 'sign in' and 'make your choice' which doesn't give the reader the steps to take other than to go the website ;).

As wikiHow is a collaborative site, you can contact Ron as ask him for his input as it may be different from mine. I've removed the nomination for deletion as an advert because I think merging Merge Policy the titles may be the best way forward .....! what do you think?

At 12:42, Jul 29, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
The subject you choose is too big to put in one article and wikiHow already has an article on most of the sites. I think your article will have to be a gateway article and that it should concentrate on creating an efficient, workable plan to choose sites and select languages that fit the learner's interests and capabilities. I have two suggestions as you get started:

  • survey, list, critique, and improve the existing articles (If there is something missing, create an article.)
  • ask Chris Hadley to delete your existing article or mark it {{Inuse}}

At 18:16, Jul 29, 2016

Chris-HChris Hadley said:

Sure thing. I've deleted it.

At 20:03, Jul 29, 2016

Chris-HChris Hadley said:

You've certainly written some great ones on that topic! Prepare to Fly an Airplane in an Emergency is really impressive.

At 17:46, Aug 01, 2016

Chris-HChris Hadley said:

Sounds like a good plan! One thing you could do is just start the new article on one tab of your browser, then make sure the new article is opened in the advanced editor. Open the other article in a another tab in the advanced editor. Then copy/paste between them. If you have any trouble with this, I'd be happy to help. Just create the new article, and place {{inuse}} on it. Then send the title and I'll take care of moving the content over.

At 16:47, Aug 02, 2016

TiagorothTiagoroth said:

Hi there, Danoyachtcapt!

I saw your question on the Help Team page. To divide an article in parts or methods, add __PARTS__ or __METHODS__ respectively to the bottom of the article (the very bottom, after everything else). I've put this in your article, which you can see by editing it and scrolling to the bottom.

At 16:52, Aug 02, 2016

TiagorothTiagoroth said:

Happy I could help!

At 17:11, Aug 02, 2016

Gymnast-7Emma said:

Your welcome!

-Gymnast 7 (talk) 17:11, 2 August 2016 (GMT)

Reply to Emma

At 20:04, Aug 02, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

You're welcome Dano. Feel free to call me Nadia =)

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 20:04, 2 August 2016 (GMT)

At 20:37, Aug 02, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

You don't know how to cook?! O.o If that's the case, you probably should not read my articles, they're all wacky and advanced. Have you checked out the article on how to cook? ;)

Cheers,

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 20:37, 2 August 2016 (GMT)

At 20:40, Aug 02, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

Good luck ;)

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 20:40, 2 August 2016 (GMT)

At 23:45, Aug 02, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

You said:
Think of a way to show that our article will now also train you for becoming a pilot. We have the best article with the most detail for pilot training.
I'm pondering on this.

At 11:20, Aug 03, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

Hey Dano, I saw your question on the Help Team page. That's something you will have to do before posting the image on wikiHow. We don't have any resizing tools here yet.

Best of luck,

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 11:20, 3 August 2016 (GMT)

At 16:29, Aug 03, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
Your start to How to Pilot an Airplane seems promising. I hope to make make edits to the article tomorrow.

At 17:10, Aug 03, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

No problem =)

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 17:10, 3 August 2016 (GMT)

At 20:59, Aug 03, 2016

FlicketyFlickety said about Pilot an Airplane:

Hey there, I wanted to let you know that I just promoted your article on How to Pilot an Airplane. That means it's now fully published and searchable so that readers can find your good advice! Nicely done :)

At 21:49, Aug 03, 2016

FlicketyFlickety said:

Thanks for your message Dano. My apologies for not understanding the full intention behind your article when placing the merge tag. As I said to Ron, do feel free to keep wording the intro as befits your needs for this article, I just made the changes I did to try to avoid any more merge thoughts. And if there's anything I can help with, just let me know. It's fantastic to have your expert and detailed knowledge being shared here, much appreciated. Thank you! Flic

At 22:55, Aug 03, 2016

FlicketyFlickety said:

Hey Dano, Thanks for your messages. Glad to know the edit worked. And it's terrific that you've teamed up with Ron, you do make a great team. I am sure he'll be speaking pilot in no time now! I think you're doing a fantastic job of the explanations.

And I added the "inuse" template to help you keep working on the article, you can always avail yourself of that to keep an article out of the new article boosting stream until it's ready. Not sure if you knew it did that, so thought I'd mention it. Then just remove that template when you're happy for the article to go through. Flic

At 01:04, Aug 04, 2016

FlicketyFlickety said:

Dano, sorry, I didn't mean to make the inuse template sound like a thing to cause you to rush, it's not and it's not a block by any means as your article has already been boosted live (by me). What I meant was that if you're not finished with an article yet, you can use the template to delay it being reviewed and having someone like me come along and put a merge or some other tag on it or keep it demoted (all things that prevent it from being searched for). If you add an inuse tag upon first creating an article, it buys you the time to work on it without having other editors jump in until you are ready to release it, at which point the article review team gets to see it and can boost it live. I hope that makes better sense than what I explained earlier. It's a good thing - it will allow you time to complete an article at your pace. Of course, if you want the article boosted earlier, you can always ask someone to do so for you even with the inuse tag in place, and my guess is that they'll be happy to do so.

Right now, your article is going to be both searchable (in a few days that is, once the search engine incorporates it), and the tag just tells other editors to wait until you're done. That doesn't prevent collaboration, just tell whomever you're collaborating with to ignore the template. Does that help?

We're happy to benefit from that aviation pouring from your head. :) It's a totally wonderful expertise that you're sharing. Flic

At 01:20, Aug 04, 2016

FlicketyFlickety said:

No worries, glad it's all making sense! Enjoy the writing. (◕‿◕✿)

At 16:06, Aug 05, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
I saw your concern about the {{Inuse}} tag imposing a fixed timeframe on your editing routine. The inuse tag is supposed to alert other editors not to work on the article nor to roll back your edits and this allows you to work on the article unhindered by edit conflicts or having to redo your work.

The reason there is a date attached is so that the inuse tag gets removed in a timely way and does not stay there forever. When the current tag runs out, let me know and I will refresh the date in the tag. This can be done as many times as it takes and I will be glad to do this for you if you cannot figure out how to do so. Please take your time expanding and refining the article and try not to feel any time pressure because there really is none.

At 21:33, Aug 05, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
wikiHow is based on trust and open sharing of information. I don't see how withholding such information could make any difference in the long run and really don't think doing so would benefit the readers. Then there are the separate questions of:

  • Where do you draw the line?
  • Who is to police the exclusion of critical information and how?

At 21:53, Aug 05, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
If you feel strongly about this, by all means remove the content you think might be problematic.

At 21:54, Aug 05, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

You said:
...just tell them to ask their instructor to explain certain items. Do you agree with that?
Sure, Dano. That sounds fine.

At 22:01, Aug 05, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Good thinking!

At 00:25, Aug 06, 2016

Chris-HChris Hadley said:

I'll trust your expertise in this matter. I'm not sure how easily available that information is via other sources, or how much it would be take away from the articles. Definitely skip adding it, however, if you're not comfortable doing so.

At 18:50, Aug 06, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

Hello Dano, I saw your question on the Help Team page. What do you mean without having a 'br' in the edit mode? I am not sure I understand that part, can you clarify please before I answer?

Hope you are having a great Saturday,

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 18:50, 6 August 2016 (GMT)

At 19:00, Aug 06, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

As far as I know, you can't browse images without being in the edit mode. You can view wikiVisual's images in other related article but that's about it. Does that help?

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 19:00, 6 August 2016 (GMT)

At 19:02, Aug 06, 2016

Galactic-RadianceAlex said:

Hey Dano, just to clarify - if you want to browse through the images, you can always go to Special:ListFiles to see everything that's been uploaded. :) You can also narrow down a search by looking for a title or an account that uploaded it. I hope that helps!

At 19:05, Aug 06, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

Sorry Dano - Alex touched a little more light about that. I hope he helped better than I did :x

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 19:05, 6 August 2016 (GMT)

At 19:08, Aug 06, 2016

Galactic-RadianceAlex said:

No problem! :)

At 19:15, Aug 06, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

Great Dano, good luck!

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 19:15, 6 August 2016 (GMT)

At 20:01, Aug 06, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

Good to hear! Images always help the article glow ;)

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 20:01, 6 August 2016 (GMT)

At 20:32, Aug 06, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

Your article on how to Pilot an Airplane is really well-put. Nice job.

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 20:32, 6 August 2016 (GMT)

At 20:52, Aug 06, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

Piloting is your expertise. ;) You shouldn't quit.

Happy editing!

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 20:52, 6 August 2016 (GMT)

At 21:03, Aug 06, 2016

Byankno1Chris said:

Thanks for your edits on wikiHow_talk:Help Team. Just a quickie. If you meant the br HTML tags just before an image, we luckily no longer use them. As you center the images, you can forgo adding the extra HTML and forgo adding the size of the Step-by-Step photo in the Steps section of the article. The BR tag is deprecated now in Steps.

Reply to Chris

At 22:23, Aug 06, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
I saw you left a note to Chris Hadley that were through with How to Pilot an Airplane. Would you mind if I left the {{Inuse}} tag on the article and edited it?

At 15:36, Aug 07, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
I just finished my first pass of copyediting and will leave the article alone until I hear from you. I agree that there is some refinement and expansion needed on the flying sections.

At 15:41, Aug 07, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
I also marked How to Pilot a Twin Cessna 310 as {{Inuse}} for you.

At 16:25, Aug 07, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

Enjoy writing your article ^.~

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 16:25, 7 August 2016 (GMT)

At 18:13, Aug 07, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I just chose your article on how to Pilot an Airplane to be a Rising Star. That means it is one of the best new articles on wikiHow. Congratulations, and thanks for the great contribution!

At 22:03, Aug 07, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
If I corrupted or removed any of the pilot's language you intended to incorporate in the 172 article, feel free to put it back. What I tried to do is cut a middle road by building a bridge from dumbed-down, more understandable (to the non-aviator) language to the more technical buzz words of the aviation world. I might have failed in this, though.

At 22:29, Aug 08, 2016

Chris-HChris Hadley said:

Pilot an Airplane looks really comprehensive and helpful! Thanks for the detailed and informative article.

At 17:39, Aug 10, 2016

Chris-HChris Hadley said:

Hey Dano, Ron inquired with me about replacing the article Fly an Airplane with the article you started, Pilot an Airplane. He was hoping that by doing so, that your work would reach a really wide readership. I wanted to share my thoughts on that with you, and see what you think.

I'm a bit reluctant to make this change, since the articles are subtly different as written – yours is , and the original "Fly an Airplane" article has been around for a long time. I think we would be helping more readers by moving Pilot an Airplane to a title like Fly a Cessna -- this would let readers know they're getting specific instructions on that type of plane. It would also probably allow us to redirect some very limited articles I've seen on Cessna flying there, which would also be a big benefit to readers (and help your article find more readers quickly).

How does this plan sound to you?

At 15:57, Aug 15, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

Hey Dano,

Thanks for the message - sorry for my delay in replying. Was off honeymooning!

I can definitely understand your concerns. It's hard to read the news these days, and it doesn't seem to be letting up, with tragedy after tragedy hitting the headlines on any given day.

That being said, we've always valued the idea of wikiHow as an open wiki - unless something actually violates our wikiHow:Deletion Policy, we try not to censor it but to handle whatever the topic is responsibly, with any necessary advice and warnings and so on, instead. It really gets to be a slippery slope if we start trying to withhold critical information in articles, and it's tough to imagine where that might end. It also has the side effect of actually making articles less helpful for those who genuinely do need the advice.

I'm a big believer in wikiHow's core value of assuming good faith, and I'd say we actually extend it beyond editors to readers, too. We try to embrace the idea that we're here to help people get done what they need to do, and trust them to take the info they need, leave the info they don't, and make their own decisions about the choices they make. It's not really within anyone's control how people use the info they find out in the world, and on the whole, I'd rather people can find advice they need from a responsible and reliable source when they need it, than start censoring pages just for the minority who might misuse it (and could find the info elsewhere, anyway).

It's definitely a tricky line, but that'd be the short version of my take on it. Let me know if it helps - and apologies if it's not the answer you were hoping for!

At 17:38, Aug 15, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

Emphasizing when an instructor is needed would be great, sure! As long as the steps are still actionable, I think it'll be okay. And yes, we definitely can't cover everything all the time, but we still want to share what knowledge we can - a lot of the time, folks just want to know how something works and get an overview before they dive into lessons or hands-on practice, and I think we fill an important role there. I think it still helps to provide the advice and steps, even if someone isn't following along step by step with every single part.

At 17:51, Aug 15, 2016

AnnaAnna said:

That's great to hear!

At 03:44, Aug 20, 2016

Galactic-RadianceAlex said:

Hi Dano - I just wanted to ask you if you mind if I fix the category on Pilot a Twin Cessna 310? The proper category is called "Cessna Aircraft", but the article is categorized as "Cessna", which doesn't exist. Since you were the one who the InUse was placed for, I just wanted to ask if you were okay with it if I put it into the proper category? (You can always do it yourself if you don't want me to edit it, or tell me to wait, no worries.) :)

At 19:58, Aug 22, 2016

Chris-HChris Hadley said:

Not at all! All done Fly a Cessna 310

At 21:10, Aug 22, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

Thanks for your edits on User_talk:Alabaster.

Sorry - what do you mean? I don't think I am against anything, can you please explain? I am a little lost.

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 21:10, 22 August 2016 (GMT)

At 21:52, Aug 22, 2016

WikihowSaverNadia said:

No problem Dano =)

WikihowSaver; The Fun, Cooking Saver (talk) 21:52, 22 August 2016 (GMT)

At 22:09, Aug 22, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

Dano,
It looks like Nadia rolled back the removal of the link by User:Ayesdeeef within How to Prepare to Fly an Airplane in an Emergency and that got reverted by User:Ayesdeeef. The reason the link was removed was that it showed up in red, meaning that the specified article title does not exist. Proper formation of the title is [[Fly a Cessna]]. You do not need the How to.

At 18:43, Sep 03, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

I saw this and thought of you! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZqN-uEgQU

At 22:03, Sep 05, 2016

AlabasterAlabaster said:

You said:
I think i wouldn't have tried that. It's much safer writing about flying.
lol... You have the good sense to know your limitations. As of 2011, only eight pilots were qualified to land on that runway.

At 23:35, Sep 06, 2016

Chris-HChris Hadley said:

I think the current title is a good one - it's concise and accessible, probably more commonly searched than the alternative. I'd encourage a "wait and see" approach before opting to change the title. The article is still quite new, and usually articles grow in readership over time.

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